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Tch Tch. A person who has put up a blog purely ‘to fight for our rights’ should not run away after just two-three posts!

“”Also i don’t think my opinion is going to matter
while solving the problem.”"
Then why put up a blog to champion it??

Hope our state become grow stronger economically.And all our people
live in peace and Harmony.

Thank you .

Address only the points raised by us, not what you imagine to be a good scoring point.

“”Why are the people of Arunachal have this xenophobia especially the
politician about the Chakmas?
Are they lack confidence”"

And the 50 million Bangladeshi refugees are all asking this ‘question’ to various Indian states.
You have to understand that the world is not an open space anymore–there are boundaries and there are rules. You got to follow them or land in jail.
You seem to be very fond of quoting the West. Can you just enter into any Western democracy today without rigorous immigration process? Do you know that thousands of Tamil, Indonesian and Vietnamese refugees(genuine refugees, not pseudo refugees as yourself) attempting asylum in Australia,are TODAY languishing in refugee jails in some small Islands of Pacific Ocean in Nauru??
Similar jails exist in Western Europe and USA for African and other refugees. You should have been in such a jail too till your refugee claim is assessed, had we followed the law. So dont talk of “rights” that dont legally exist.

“”Why are you comparing AP with Tripura?”"

And why not?If the Reangs who had a full-fledged Kingdom can be reduced to sorry minorities by the Bangladeshis like yourself what prevents same happening in AP? In a democracy numbers make leaders, not the other way round.So it is guaranteed a Chakma Pakistani CM will rule AP once granted legal status.

“” Arnold is Austrian , Bobby Jindal son of Indian immigarnt, whale Nicolas
Sarcozy “”

Well then why dont you go to USA or France ? You will be promptly imprisoned for immigration violation.The people you quoted were made citizens of those countries after due process of law of that country.You were not. Even today they are liable to those same laws that granted them citizenship. For example, Arnold Schwarzenegger & Bobby Jindal can NEVER become President of USA because the law says only natural-born citizens can become one.You people are illegal intruders in AP according to Indian constitution and you ought to follow that law ok?

“”Is any
civil society do such injustice to any community?”.
Also , is the Bill going to get the 2-3 majority of the Parliament or the
President is going to sign the Bill?”"

Yes why not.Indira Gandhi signed such a pact which made 1 million Sri Lankan Tamils refugee with a single signature. You misread my statement too. You are already illegal intruders in AP by BEFRA Act 1873–we dont need another Bill to legally remove you from AP. A new bill would be needed only to declare you non-Indians and send you back to your country–Bangladesh. The Chakmas of CHT has made peace with that country so why dont you make a visit?

“”1.Does anybody stay naked or wear the loin cloth (no offence intended)
as some 50-60 years before in AP?

2. How many people follow “DONI POLO” now?

3. How many people can play the traditional Arunachalee tribal musical
instruments ?”"

Those 3 points i raised because i had seen some politicians saying that
Chakmas are a treat to the cultural identity of the locals.

Every tribals have their own culture and traditions.We too ,
Chakmas, are tribals and we also have our own culture and identity.
Preserving own identity is very important in this globalised world.But
it all depends on us , how we preserve it or how sincere are we
in preserving it ? I don’t think Chakmas are any treat to the cultural
identity of any locals tribes.

“”Arunachal is the least populated state in the Country with 13 persons per”"

I said because some politicians were saying that the state does not have
land to accomodate that many populations.

Buru , I want to ask some question from you.
Why are the people of Arunachal have this xenophobia especially the
politician about the Chakmas?
Are they lack confidence ? I hope , it a big “NO”.
Why are you comparing AP with Tripura? Tripura people does not had a
great leader at that time. Arunachal is diffirent now.
Look at the decendent of Tripura royal family Riya Sen and Raima Sen
(Bollywood actors), they lack so much confidence in their identity that
thay use the surname of their mother .Infact , they are Debburmans.Their grandfther
never went back to Tripura even at his older days.If that was the condition
of the Royal family the what will be the confidence of the subject.
I know this is different topic but it is just an example.

Arunachale people have leader . Infact , the Apang is there ,the second
longest serving CM. The present leader Kiren Riju.

Also your example about the refugees in ASSAM like Biharis, Marwarris,
Santals ,etc. Also the people of Indian origin in Kenya, Uganda,Srilanka,etc

Buru quote”Look at the world around and understand
that the people of Arunachal have been more than generous with such
intruders as yourself.

For example…
1.The Bihar/UP/Marwariwallas have been in Assam for over a hundred years
now, contributing economically. Did the people of AP did what was done to
them(Indians) that is today happening in Assam to Chakmas(Pakistanis)?

2.The Santhals and Oraons(indians) contributing to Assams economy for 150
years but see their plight in Assam?

3.The ethnic Indians who are butchered,raped and deported en masse by
undemocratic Govts of Uganda/ Sri lanka/ Fiji/Kenya etc back to India,
inspite of being born there and building their economy for more than a
hundred years??”"

Yes , refugees problem is a big issue around the world. Yes, Aruanachalee
people are generous , i accept that.

But, why don’t you look at the positive side? Why only look at the third
word countries look at the developed countries also.
Look ,at Arnold Scwargenerer , Nicolas Sarcozy , Bobby Jindal and so many.
Arnold is Austrian , Bobby Jindal son of Indian immigarnt, whale Nicolas
Sarcozy son of a Hungarian refugee. Why did French elected Sarcozy as
their President ? Why didn’t they say that ” that son of a Refugee, how can
he be our President”?
No, they don’t care whether he is a refugee or not.As they know that he is a
French by birth. They want a leader who can lead the country with vision.

I am not saying that Arunachal people should elect a Chakma as the
CM.( So , please don’t misinterpret it).

What i am trying to say is that give us the chance to be called ourselves
as Arunachalee and and accept us in Arunachal as an any Indian Citizen.
We can be also a resouces and be a part of economic development of
the state. We are ready to assimilate with the culture and people
of Arunachal and live in peace and Harmony.

Yes , i know that it need only one Bill to be passed in Parliament to
deploy the cHakmas from Arunachal legally . But the question is “Is any
civil society do such injustice to any community?”.
Also , is the Bill going to get the 2-3 majority of the Parliament or the
President is going to sign the Bill?

Dear Mr David,

Rights are not absolute.You are entitled to rights according to many criterions based on Nationanilty,State,district, caste, community and what not. Dont ask for rights that dont belong to you ,legally, or else even the remaining rights be taken away. The Chakmas are illegal intruders in AP as defined by the Constitution of India >period<
So you can have your nationality as Indian,Martian or Timbuktian is of no concern to us–you deserve to be shifted en masse to outside AP (legally speaking, not my personal belief) if we were to follow Indian Constitution.
It wont be long before the Tibetan, Lisu, Hajongs and Mias too ask for AP status by your same logic. What next?
Your reasoning is like that of a beggar, who when given food and shelter for a considerable time starts to claim ownership of the masters house by association! To compound it, we never invited Chakmas in.

Dont be under impression that you cannot be legally chucked out of AP. It takes just one Parliament Bill to do a lot of things.

“” I am sorry that I gave some misinformation “”

No, you gave an underestimation of Chakma population.Dont try to lie like that when exposed.

“”1.Does anybody stay naked or wear the loin cloth (no offence intended)
as some 50-60 years before in AP?

2. How many people follow “DONI POLO” now?

3. How many people can play the traditional Arunachalee tribal musical
instruments ?”"

Who raised these points at all??
You sound like a confused person.They are irrelevant to the discussion and sound retarded too.

“” Arunachal is the least populated state in the Country with 13 persons per”"

EXACTLY.Thats why we cannot afford to make you the single largest community in the state and replicate Tripura again in AP.
Tomorrow David Chakma aka Vivianne may ask(with Hajong,Lisu,Tibetan ,Mia and Nepali refugee support)to be installed the CM of AP on account of Chakmas being the single largest community in AP then??

Though your post was meant for Buru, but I fail to understand from your post what exactly are you fighting for? Nationality?…then, shouldn’t you be fighting with central government rather than Arunachal Government?

Secondly, I fail to understand some of your reasonings. They are:

“….Arunachal is the least populated state in the Country with 13 persons per
square kms.”—Does this mean people from over populated regions be settled at Arunachal?

“Does anybody stay naked or wear the loin cloth (no offence intended)
as some 50-60 years before in AP?” …has it got anything to do with losing one’s identity? ???

And as said before here, the solution to Chakma Hajong issue lies with how much you are able to assimilate yourself with local populace and make them feel you are one of them rather than in fighting for your rights(?).

Also , I am sorry that I gave some misinformation about the population
of Chakmas and Hajongs. Actually , according to 1991 census the combine
population of Chakmas and Hajongs was 30,064 .And there combine population
in 1979 was 14,888.

As you know very well that , displacing such a huge number of people
is impossible. Which no goverment is going to take risk.Remembering
that INDIA is a democratic country.Even if they are displace then where are they going to go?
Then, why not live in PEACE and HARMONY and make
Arunachal Pradesh a model state?
In this 21st century , only what matter is economic development.
Ok. Even if 30,000 chakmas and hajong settle in Arunachal ,then
what environment and ecological effect it will have ,considering that
Arunachal is the least populated state in the Country with 13 persons per
square kms. Also , your fear that the local tribals population are
going to be minorities in the Chakmas and Hajongs dominated areas and
they are going to lost their identity. For this i have some question to
ask.
1.Does anybody stay naked or wear the loin cloth (no offence intended)
as some 50-60 years before in AP?

2. How many people follow “DONI POLO” now?

3. How many people can play the traditional Arunachalee tribal musical
instruments ?

Now a days all the young generation are following the western culture,
their music,etc. why does the people stop following the western culture,
music and instead follow the tribal culture? Are not the people of AP
losing their culture and Identity?

Also , I am going to answer your question .
Now , nobody knows the exact population of Chakma and Hajongs.As
there in no official census.

Also , to clarify one thing that David and viviane is the same person

[Quote]i think you are saying the same thing you heard by hearsay about the
rate of population growth of the Chakma people. You know the population
of Chakmas is even less than what our leader claim. If the Arunachal
govt. don’t believe then they can make a census of it.[unquote]

Ok even presuming that I accept your saying @face value the assumed population of Chakmas in Arunachal is MASSIVE. How can I say so without a census?

You in your own blog(www.davidchakma.blogspot.com)said 30,000 Chakmas were settled in NEFA in 1964 by GOI initially.Now assuming that Chakma growth rate is SAME(not higher as I suggested)as rest of AP ,what is Chakmas current population?
NEFA in 1961 had 3,37,000 population which grew by more than 300 percent to 10,97,000 in 2001.So by deduction the Chakmas make up atleast 90,000(ie 300% rise from 30,000)people in 2001.

Next here is the OFFICIAL 2001 census giving tribewise distribution of AP:
Statement-1: Population of Major STs, 2001 Census
SL. No
Name of the ST
Population returned in
2001 Census
1 All Scheduled Tribes
705,158
2 Abor
19,927
3 Adi
32,582
4 Adi Gallong
48,126
5 Adi Minyong
33,984
6 Adi Padam
11,625
7 Aka
5,140
8 Any Naga Tribes
6,978
9 Apatani
27,576
10 Bangni
7,870
11 Dafla
45,276
12 Deori
5,693
13 Galong
27,239
14 Idu/Chulikata Mishmi
9,350
15 Khampti
12,890
16 Miji
5,721
17 Mishing/Miri
13,591
18 Mishmi
25,161
19 Monpa
41,983
20 Nishang
21,907
21 Nissi
87,656
22 Nocte
33,680
23 Tagin
39,091
24 Tangsa
20,962
25 Tawang Monpa
7,500
26 Wancho
47,788

Now correcting official misnomers,even when we add the various subtribes under Nyishi, Adi etc Chakmas form the THIRD largest ‘tribe’at present??

Next…….

The official Chakma settlement went on till 1971.I have come across varying figures of 40,000 to 60,000 resettlement in total, which will make your ‘tribe’the LARGEST community in the state!!!?
Would you allow such a load of outsiders into YOUR area tomorrow?

*********************
You may shout from the rooftops that its not your fault.True. But its not ours either. While I sympathise fully with your suffering I do not think you people have been too amenable to amicable solutions either. Look at the world around and understand that the people of Arunachal have been more than generous with such intruders as yourself.

For example…
1.The Bihar/UP/Marwariwallas have been in Assam for over a hundred years now, contributing economically. Did the people of AP did what was done to them(Indians) that is today happening in Assam to Chakmas(Pakistanis)?

2.The Santhals and Oraons(indians) contributing to Assams economy for 150 years but see their plight in Assam?

3.The ethnic Indians who are butchered,raped and deported en masse by undemocratic Govts of Uganda/ Sri lanka/ Fiji/Kenya etc back to India, inspite of being born there and building their economy for more than a hundred years??

So why are you cribbing in the blogs about”60 years in AP so we are APs”??
If the constitution(1950) says you are Indian nationals by birth,the same constitution recognizes the Frontier Regulation Act 1873, which prohibits settlement of outsiders in AP??

Again my sympathy is with Chakmas, but I dont like the likes of cribpots the likes of you, who jumps from blog to blog trying to paint AP in bad light.